Playing: 126: Bootcamps vs School vs Self-learning
Jul 27th, 2020
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Jul 22nd, 2020
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Jul 6th, 2020
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Jun 24th, 2020
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Jun 17th, 2020
The Fundamentals Leftovers - Terminal, Shortcuts, View Source, Github + More!
May 27th, 2020
Potluck - Courses for Kids × Sub-Components × Recursion × DB Hosting × Frameworks × Data Structures & Algorithms × More!
Apr 29th, 2020
Potluck Part 2 - Magic GQLess × Are classes dead? × Custom Hooks × Staying Up To Date × CSS × More!
Apr 22nd, 2020
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Apr 1st, 2020
Mental Health and Dev ft Dr. Courtney Tolinski - Depression, Anxiety, Imposter Syndrome, Focus, Motivation, Burnout
Mar 25th, 2020
Potluck - Bootcamps × Career Change × Figma × Gatsby × AMP × Mongoose × More!
Feb 26th, 2020
Potluck - Next vs Gatsby × Headless CMS × Vue.js × Is Ruby on Rails still good? × More!
Jan 29th, 2020
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Jan 27th, 2020
Hasty Treat - Building A Community Slack, Discord, Spectrum, Discourse, Forums
Jan 20th, 2020
Hasty Treat - Picking the Stack for uses.tech - Gatsby, React, Context, Styled Components
Jan 1st, 2020
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Dec 4th, 2019
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Nov 6th, 2019
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Oct 9th, 2019
Potluck - Terminal Configs × CSS Reset × Flexbox × Freelancing × NPM Dependencies × Project Hand-off × More!
Sep 18th, 2019
Potluck - Why Webpack? × Serverless × Agencies × Recruiters × CSS Grid × MQ in Styled Components
Aug 21st, 2019
Potluck - Deploying Applications × Typescript × Live Coding with Twitch × Fullstack Architecture × More!
Jul 31st, 2019
Potluck - What is "State"? × Web Sockets × Remote Working × Firefox × Machines Taking Our Jobs × More!
Jun 26th, 2019
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May 1st, 2019
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Apr 3rd, 2019
Potluck - Interview Qs × Headless CMS × React Hooks × Resume Design × Redux vs Context × More!
Mar 6th, 2019
Potluck - Are classes dead? × Tutorials vs Real Life × CRA vs Next × Scraping × More
Mar 4th, 2019
Hasty Treat - Authentication - LocalStorage vs Cookies vs Sessions vs Tokens
Feb 27th, 2019
How We Manage Our Lives — Notion, Todos, Notes, Focusing, Calendars, Goal tracking, and more!
Feb 6th, 2019
Potluck - Changing careers × Repo organization × CSS Grid × Certifications × Freelancing × Spammers × More
Jan 10th, 2019
Potluck - Where to start with JS × Freelancing × Cron jobs × Split testing × Frameworks in 2019 × More
Dec 19th, 2018
Potluck - Typescript × E-commerce platforms × Job-hopping × Working for agencies × more
Dec 17th, 2018
Hasty Treat - Where are they now?! Gulp, Grunt, Bower, Backbone and Compass
Nov 21st, 2018
Potluck - $100/hr × Redux Replacements × Full Stack Designers × JWT × VS Code Tips × More
Oct 26th, 2018
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Aug 29th, 2018
Potluck - Programming Languages × Soft Skills × PHP vs JS × Breakdancing x Spice Blends
Aug 1st, 2018
Potluck - Editor Fonts × Portfolios × Meetup Tips × Switching to Windows × Freelancing Sources
Jul 24th, 2018
The Undocumented Web - scraping, private APIs, proxies and “alternative solutions”
Jul 18th, 2018
Advice For Beginners - Tech Skills, Applying for Jobs, Focus, Imposter Syndrome + More
Jul 4th, 2018
Potluck EP × Remote Work × Headless WordPress × Good Client Questions × Alternate Careers × React API Credentials
May 9th, 2018
Potluck EP × Is Redux Dead × Learning Quickly × Developing Solo × Specialist vs Generalist × Funnest Projects × Wes’ BBQ Course
Apr 18th, 2018
Potluck EP × Vue.js × Headless WP × Typescript & Flow × Productivity × Server Side Rendering × Yeoman
Feb 7th, 2018
Wes and Scott's Lives - Breakdancing, BBQ, Wives, Work/Life Balance, Problem Solving, YouTube Subscriptions
Jan 31st, 2018
Snack Pack — CSS Frameworks, React HOC, Render Props, Coding Designers, Early Career Advice and a sound board!
Jan 24th, 2018
Hosting & Servers — Heroku, Now, Galaxy, Digital Ocean, Linode, Docker, Netlify and more!
Nov 29th, 2017
What's New in CSS? Variables, Scoping, New Selectors and Color Functions
Nov 1st, 2017
22 Buzz Words Explained — Mutations, Pure Functions , Serverless, Hoisting, MVC + More
Oct 18th, 2017
Tasty Treats — Rems VS Ems, Remote Work, Making Money, Getting good at Design + more! 🍬
Mar 13th, 2019
Bootcamps vs School vs Self-learning👇 Download Show✏️ Edit Show Notes
In this episode Wes and Scott talk about developer education — what to look for, what to avoid, and how to be a life-long learner with good problem solving skills.
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3:59 - Our experiences
- Went to college - Go Blue!
- Worked odd jobs while self teaching
- Was mentored and taught more while working at my first job
- Self directed since then
- Started teaching via LUT in 2012
- Went to university for Business Tech - entirely self-taught
- Led and created part-time HTML + CSS program at HackerYou
- Led and created first bootcamp at HackerYou
- Led and created first JS part-time at HackerYou
- Been offered jobs at colleges + universities
10:02 - School - $$$
- The best thing about school was unrestricted free time to find out what I enjoyed, which lead me to coding
- Co-ops can help you find what you like and what you don't like
- Life skills that involve you being on your own and figuring things out more
- You are exposed to interesting people and ideas
- CS Degree work can open more career doors
- Professional networking
- Many companies wont hire you without some sort of bachelor's degree (this might change)
- Not everyone has the time or money to devote two to five years to school — especially to something they might not end up enjoying
- Potentially outdated staff and course material
- Wes was often asked to lead a video editing course, print design course and a web development course
- Lot's of distractions
23:10 - Bootcamp - $$
- Very fast, lots of info, but can be a bit overwhelming
- You can get up-to-speed extremely quickly
- Focused on hire-ability and job-ready skills
- Focused information
- Personality is really the deciding factor here - lots of people do well, and some don't
- Hit or miss — quality of bootcamps aren't vetted, so do your research
- Talk to someone who took it, find out who the instructors are
- You absolutely must continue learning after the bootcamp
- The bootcamp is just a push and you are expected to continue learning once you are done
- Not great for individuals that can't handle the pace
- You have to quit your job
37:09 - Self-Taught - $
- Self-directed people will prevail here
- Can be drip-fed while earning money at another job
- Can be supplemented by a job (e.g. you are front-end and want to go full stack)
- Can get real world experience as a freelancer while you evolve
- Not for everyone
- Can be difficult to self-motivate
- Hard to get help - sometimes you can be stuck for hours on a two-second fix
- Potentially discouraging
- You might go down the wrong path without guidance on what you should learn
47:11 - Part Time Programs - $
- Fantastic way to get up to speed with a new tech
- Goes at a good pace - twice a week usually
- Offered on weekends and evenings where you can maintain a regular job
- Very low risk - you can try it out
- Might not be as fast as you like it
- Quality is all over the map
49:55 - Mentored Self Learning - $
- Best to do with a mentor on the job
- Mentor can help steer what to learn in your free time
- Good feedback and a place to ask lots of questions
- Can't be done without someone willing to mentor you
- Only as good as your mentor
52:55 - What approach would we take?
- Bootcamp > then immediately supplement with courses