Supper Club × Shipping ESM with Mark Erikson

In this supper club episode of Syntax, Wes and Scott talk with Mark Erikson about his work in helping others understand shipping ESM, how to deal with permutations, whether default imports are helpful, whether TypeScript has made it easier, and what Mark's tool stack is for building.

Show Notes

00:36 Welcome!
01:45 Introducing Shipping ESM with Mark Erikson
Mark Erikson (@acemarke)
Wes Bos on Twitter: "publishing packages that work in esm and cjs is such a nightmare. I've run into so many issues today and took forever to get the proper package.json exports. I can't wait until we're 100% esm. I think I have every single combo covered."
Mark's Dev Blog
Blogged Answers: My Experience Modernizing Packages to ESM
Greatest Hits: The Most Popular and Most Useful Posts I've Written
arethetypeswrong.github.io: Tool for analyzing TypeScript types of npm packages
publint
07:01 How did we get to this space in modules?
16:30 How do you deal with permutations?
22:13 Do bundlers get in the way or helping?
26:16 Are default imports useful?
30:35 Are the types wrong errors
33:41 Has TypeScript made this easier?
37:56 What's your tool stack for building?
39:32 How do you test?
41:35 Will we ever stop bundling?
48:03 What about source maps?
52:32 Supper Club Questions
What is Windows Subsystem for Linux
Eagle Oceanic Next
DroidSansMono NF Font
55:18 React Types has more downloads than React?
59:42 SIIIIICK ××× PIIIICKS ×××

××× SIIIIICK ××× PIIIICKS ×××

Shirley Wu—Taking up space (Keynote, Outlier 2023)

Shameless Plugs

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